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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on March 3, 2022. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that, in addition to the Armenians, the Assyrians also faced genocide in the Ottoman Empire* during World War I?*
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On 27 May 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to Assyrian genocide. The result of the discussion was not moved.

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Assyrian capture of Urmia in 1918

According to historian David Gaunt, a primary characteristic was the total targeting of the Assyrian population, including farming villages as well as rebelling mountain tribes. The killing in rural regions was more extensive, while some survived the massacres in cities; Gaunt states that this indicates that a primary aim was the confiscation of land. The property, villages and animals of the villagers were destroyed totally to prevent their return.^[1] In most areas, the genocide occurred between June and October 1915.^[2]

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References

^ Gaunt, David. "The Ottoman Treatment of Assyrians" in Grigor Suny, Ronald; Muge Gogek, Fatma; Naimark, Norman M., eds. (2011). A Question of Genocide: Armenians and Turks at the End of the Ottoman Empire. Oxford University Press. p. 245. ISBN 9780199781041. Retrieved 26 February 2015.
^ Gaunt 2015, p. 85.
^ Cetin, Önder (2021). "Revisiting the Prospect of Revision in Turkish Secondary School History Textbooks: the Case of the Assyrian Debate". British Journal of Educational Studies: 1–20. doi:10.1080/00071005.2021.1990851.
^ Mutlu-Numansen, Sofia; Ossewaarde, Marinus (2019). "A Struggle for Genocide Recognition: How the Aramean, Assyrian, and Chaldean Diasporas Link Past and Present". Holocaust and Genocide Studies. 33 (3): 412–428. doi:10.1093/hgs/dcz045.
^ Mutlu-Numansen, Sofia; Ossewaarde, Ringo (2015). "Heroines of gendercide: The religious sensemaking of rape and abduction in Aramean, Assyrian and Chaldean migrant communities". European Journal of Women's Studies. 22 (4): 428–442. doi:10.1177/1350506815605646.

Name topic

I heavily suggest you guys change the name of the Wikipedia page and write like "Sayfo genocides" Better.. R3YBOl (talk) 14:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rfc: Infobox

Should this article have an Infobox or not? Zinderboff (talk) 17:36, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Having an RfC is a little premature don't you think? See below.

I would suggest adding the info box you would like. If that prompts no complaints then all is good. If it does then it can be discussed and then if a consensus can't be reached (and only then) should you could go to RfC.

In the meantime I would suggest that you close this Rfc.

Thanks

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Thanks for the heads up! Someone else added an infobox and was reverted because the lack of discussion. I will open a normal discussion instead. Can you close this RfC for me please? Thanks! Zinderboff (talk) 18:55, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

Should there be an infobox on this article? Like the articles for the Greek and Armenian genocides. I think one would be helpful to quickly inform the viewer of the article information such as timeframe, reasons, perpetrators and casualties. Zinderboff (talk) 19:03, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you looked through the talk page archives, you could answer this question. The problem with adding an infobox is that if we're going to adhere to NPOV most of the fields would be marked something like "unknown" or "disputed". Because this event is less well studied and historical sources are sparse, the nuance of prose is necessary to accurately convey to readers what is known about the event. (t · c) buidhe 19:29, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Thanks for this information! Zinderboff (talk) 19:32, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Gaunt, David. "The Ottoman Treatment of Assyrians" in Grigor Suny, Ronald; Muge Gogek, Fatma; Naimark, Norman M., eds. (2011). A Question of Genocide: Armenians and Turks at the End of the Ottoman Empire. Oxford University Press. p. 245. ISBN 9780199781041. Retrieved 26 February 2015.

[FOOTNOTEGaunt201585-2] Gaunt 2015, p. 85.

[3] Cetin, Önder (2021). "Revisiting the Prospect of Revision in Turkish Secondary School History Textbooks: the Case of the Assyrian Debate". British Journal of Educational Studies: 1–20. doi:10.1080/00071005.2021.1990851.

[4] Mutlu-Numansen, Sofia; Ossewaarde, Marinus (2019). "A Struggle for Genocide Recognition: How the Aramean, Assyrian, and Chaldean Diasporas Link Past and Present". Holocaust and Genocide Studies. 33 (3): 412–428. doi:10.1093/hgs/dcz045.

[5] Mutlu-Numansen, Sofia; Ossewaarde, Ringo (2015). "Heroines of gendercide: The religious sensemaking of rape and abduction in Aramean, Assyrian and Chaldean migrant communities". European Journal of Women's Studies. 22 (4): 428–442. doi:10.1177/1350506815605646.

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